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Aambro · Pridružen/-a: 15.11. 2006, 12:16 Prispevkov: 54

Tamara - za kakšno tekmovanje pa gre? Če hočeš, ti lahko pomagam s kakšno informacijo še.. ali dobrim dokumentarcem. Pa če se odločiš za to, in če gre za kako javno predstavitev, sporoči, da grem gledat : )

Sergej · Pridružen/-a: 12.09. 2006, 21:29 Prispevkov: 664

Tamara!
Ne objavljam gradivo. Za to ti bo Aambro povedal. Kar se mojih pomislekov tiše, so pa seveda javna last in jih lahko mirno uporabiš.

Še nekaj okrog časa segrevanja / požara.

Podatki veljajo za laboratorijske meritve. To pomeni, da po tem času sprememba temperature praktično ni več merljiva in se lahko zanemari.

Vlažna komora: 30 st.C, 99% vlažnost - 24 ur
manjši stroji: 70 -> 150 st.C - 1 ura
grelna telesa: 100 -> ~900 st.C - 15 minut

Z višanjem temperature se čas za stabilizacijo manjša. Predpostavljam, da so ti prostori v 10 minutah dosegli vsaj 90% končne temperature.

A gasilca tud nimamo nobenega???

Crazy_Bolfenk · Pridružen/-a: 15.09. 2006, 19:28 Prispevkov: 205

Gre za eno tekmovanje v PowerPint-ovi predstavitvi.. Letos je blo v LJ na fakulteti za Elektrotehniko in računalništvo.. Jaz sem prvič tekmovala.. In sem mela Brazilijo za predstavitev.. Poteka med OŠ in SŠ.. Jaz sem takrat bla še OŠ in sem bla na koncu druga.. Premagala srednješolce in to mi dalo veliko motivacije in energije za delo v naprej.. Razz

Itak bom povedala če bom šla na naslednje.. Twisted Evil

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Kajtimar · Objavljeno: 27 Nov 2006 22:15 Naslov sporočila:

Kornilov, absolutno se strinjam s tvojim zadnjim stavkom. Vse tukaj napisano je "Public domain" pa če se na GPR ali kjer koli drugje še tako zvijajo! Naj gre kdo tožit za svoje avtorske pravice, če si upa! Bo videl, kako bo "zgorel"! Seveda se tega vsi "dobronamerni" še kako zavedajo, zato pa tudi poizkušajo z zastraševanjem pravniško manj veščih. Srbi temu pravijo sistem APP (Ako Prođe, Prođe...)

Lep večer vsem skupaj... Smile

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Mirč · Objavljeno: 28 Nov 2006 07:59 Naslov sporočila:

Ej, imam predlog, ..da se izognemo kakršnim koli pravnim mučkam enodtavno sklenemo tukaj na forumu, da je vse kar objavimo javno in lahko vsakdo uporabi za kar koli pač želi, mi pa odgovarjamo osebno za to kar napišemo.
Mi smo nadstandardni novinarji Yeap Zabava

ste za to? Think

Mirč

Mirč · Objavljeno: 28 Nov 2006 08:09 Naslov sporočila:

Sergej, za to bi bil bolj uporaben gradbinc - statik, arhitekti smo imeli v svojem študijskem programu le osnove, ki zdaleč ne zadoščajo za tako zahtevno temo kot je WTC. Je pa vajuna interpretacija ful zanimiva...kongratulejšon! Very Happy

Mirč

Aambro · Pridružen/-a: 15.11. 2006, 12:16 Prispevkov: 54

Kako poroča uradna (mainstream) televizija o tistih, ki ne verjamejo uradni razlagi o 11. septembru (da so se stavbe zrušile zaradi požarov). Združeno vse skupaj v 10 minutnem filmu.

V razmislek: Veliko vprašanj ni bilo odgovorjenih s strani tistih, ki podajajo uradno razlago. Zato ne gre več za teorijo zarote, ampak za zaroto. Po drugi strani pa je uradna zgodba - tista, ki ji mogoče še verjamete, prav tako teorija. In prav tako je teorija zarote. In to slaba teorija zarote - Ljudi, ki so jih obsodili (in pokazali slike), da so bili ugrabitelji na letalu so našli žive po svetu. Osama bin Laden, ki na posnetku "prizna", da je imel prste vmes, izgleda drugačen kot na ostalih posnetkih - presodite sami. Osama bin Laden kasneje zanika, da je bil vpleten v 11.9.

Gre le za to, kateri "teoriji zarote" verjamete. Vprašajte se, kaj bi imeli od 11.septembra tisti teroristi in kaj na drugi strani bankirji, lastniki celotnega biznisa vojne (Carlisle group), politiki in lastniki naftnih družb.

Kajtimar · Objavljeno: 28 Nov 2006 22:19 Naslov sporočila:

Aambro · Pridružen/-a: 15.11. 2006, 12:16 Prispevkov: 54

Priporočam video, ki govori o bivših razkritih zarotah in zarotah nasploh. Ena najbolj podobnih 11. septembru je t.i. "Operation Northwoods iz leta 1962, ki je imela za cilj javno podporo vojaških napadov na ozemlje Kube in odstranitev vlade Fidela Castra. Plan ni bil realiziran, vendar je vseboval več t.i. "false-flag" operacij. Pri njih gre za to, da sama država zgenerira napad na lastno ozemlje in potem na podlagi predpripravljenih in potvorjenih "dejstev" obsodi državo, ki jo želi napasti/zavzeti.

Iz Northwoods Memorandum (March 13, 1962) :

A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronilogical order):
(1) Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.
(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on the base.
(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) sabateurs inside the base.
(4) Start riots near the entrance to the base (friendly Cubans).
(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
(6) Burn aircraft on airbase (sabotage).
(7) Lob morter shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.
(8) Capture assault teams approaching from the sea of vicinity of Guantanamo City.
(9) Capture militia group which storms the base.
(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene.
(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

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8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would
be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba.
The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter- national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.
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Zgoraj omenjen film ima inserte s naslednjega starega dokumentarca. Govori o tem, kako demokracija zdrsne v despotizem: ): Despotism (1946) Encyclopedia Brittanica Films

coop · Pridružen/-a: 27.09. 2006, 11:04 Prispevkov: 23

NATO’s secret armies linked to terrorism?
At a time when experts are debating whether NATO is suited to deal
with the global “war on terror”, new research suggests that the
alliance’s own secret history has links to terrorism.
By Daniele Ganser for ISN Security Watch (15/12/04)
ISN
Editor’s Note: This report written by Daniele Ganser is based on excerpts from his
newly released book, “NATO’s Secret Armies. Operation Gladio and Terrorism in
Western Europe”, released this week by Frank Cass in London. The book
describes NATO’s clandestine operations during the Cold War. The research was
prompted by a story that made world headlines in 1990 but quickly disappeared,
ensuring that even today, NATO’s secret armies remain just that - secret. Until
now, a full investigation of NATO’s secret armies had not been carried out - a task
that Ganser has taken on single-handedly and quite successfully.
In Italy, on 3 August 1990, then-prime minister Giulio Andreotti confirmed the existence
of a secret army code-named “Gladio” - the Latin word for “sword” - within the state. His
testimony before the Senate subcommittee investigating terrorism in Italy sent
shockwaves through the Italian parliament and the public, as speculation arose that the
secret army had possibly manipulated Italian politics through acts of terrorism. Andreotti
revealed that the secret Gladio army had been hidden within the Defense Ministry as a
subsection of the military secret service, SISMI. General Vito Miceli, a former director of
the Italian military secret service, could hardly believe that Andreotti had lifted the secret,
and protested: "I have gone to prison because I did not want to reveal the existence of
this super secret organization. And now Andreotti comes along and tells it to parliament!"
According to a document compiled by the Italian military secret service in 1959, the
secret armies had a two-fold strategic purpose: firstly, to operate as a so-called “staybehind”
group in the case of a Soviet invasion and to carry out a guerrilla war in
occupied territories; secondly, to carry out domestic operations in case of “emergency
situations”. The military secret services’ perceptions of what constituted an “emergency”
was well defined in Cold War Italy and focused on the increasing strength of the Italian
Communist and the Socialist parties, both of which were tasked with weakening NATO
“from within”. Felice Casson, an Italian judge who during his investigations into rightwing
terrorism had first discovered the secret Gladio army and had forced Andreotti to
take a stand, found that the secret army had linked up with right-wing terrorists in order
to confront “emergency situations”. The terrorists, supplied by the secret army, carried
out bomb attacks in public places, blamed them on the Italian left, and were thereafter
protected from prosecution by the military secret service. "You had to attack civilians, the
people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any
political game,” right-wing terrorist Vincezo Vinciguerra explained the so-called “strategy
of tension” to Casson. “The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these
people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the
political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain
unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what
happened."
No comment from NATO or the CIA
How strongly NATO and US intelligence backed and supported the use of terror in Italy
in order to discredit the political left during the Cold War remains subject of ongoing
research. General Gerardo Serravalle, who had commanded the Italian Gladio secret
army from 1971 to 1974, confirmed that the secret army “could pass from a defensive,
post-invasion logic, to one of attack, of civil war”. The Italian Senate chose to be more
explicit and concluded in its investigation in 2000: "Those massacres, those bombs,
those military actions had been organized or promoted or supported by men inside
Italian state institutions and, as has been discovered more recently, by men linked to the
structures of United States intelligence." Ever since the discovery of the secret NATO
armies in 1990, research into stay-behind armies has progressed only very slowly, due
to very limited access to primary documents and the refusal of both NATO and the CIA
to comment. On 5 November 1990, a NATO spokesman told an inquisitive press: "NATO
has never contemplated guerrilla war or clandestine operations”. The next day, NATO
officials admitted that the previous day’s denial had been false, adding that the alliance
would not comment on matters of military secrecy. On 7 November, NATO’s highest
military official in Europe, Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) US General
John Galvin, together with NATO’s highest civilian official, Secretary-General Manfred
Wörner, briefed NATO ambassadors behind closed doors. "Since this is a secret
organization, I wouldn't expect too many questions to be answered,” reasoned a senior
NATO diplomat, who wished to remain unnamed. “If there were any links to terrorist
organizations, that sort of information would be buried very deep indeed.” Former CIA
director William Colby confirmed in his memoirs that setting up the secret armies in
Western Europe had been “a major program” for the CIA. The project started after World
War II in total secrecy, and access to information was limited “to the smallest possible
coterie of the most reliable people, in Washington, in NATO” and in the countries
concerned. Yet when in Italy in 1990 former CIA director Admiral Stansfield Turner was
questioned on television on Gladio, he strictly refused to answer any questions on the
sensitive issue, and as the interviewer insisted with respect for the terror victims,
Stansfield angrily ripped off his microphone and shouted: "I said, no questions about
Gladio!", whereafter the interview was over.
Protest from the EU
If there had been a Soviet invasion, the secret anti-communist soldiers would have
operated behind enemy lines, strengthening and setting up local resistance movements
in enemy-held territory, evacuating shot down pilots, and sabotaging the supply lines
and production centers of occupation forces. Upon discovery of the secret armies, the
European Parliament responded with harsh criticism, suspecting it to have been involved
in manipulation and terror operations. “This Europe will have no future,” Italian
representative Falqui opened the debate, “if it is not founded on truth, on the full
transparency of its institutions in regard to the dark plots against democracy that have
turned upside down the history, even in recent times, of many European states.” Falqui
insisted that “there will be no future, ladies and gentlemen, if we do not remove the idea
of having lived in a kind of double state - one open and democratic, the other clandestine
and reactionary. That is why we want to know what and how many "Gladio" networks
there have been in recent years in the Member States of the European Community." The
majority of EU parliamentarians followed Falqui, and in a special resolution on 22
November 1990 made it clear that the EU “protests vigorously at the assumption by
certain US military personnel at SHAPE and in NATO of the right to encourage the
establishment in Europe of a clandestine intelligence and operation network”, calling for
a “a full investigation into the nature, structure, aims, and all other aspects of these
clandestine organizations or any splinter groups, their use for illegal interference in the
internal political affairs of the countries concerned, and the problem of terrorism in
Europe”.
Secret armies across Western Europe
Only the parliaments in Italy, Switzerland, and Belgium had formed a special
commission to investigate the national secret army, and after months or even years of
research, presented a public report. Building on this data and secondary sources from
numerous European countries, “NATO’s Secret Armies” confirms for the first time that
the secret networks spread across Western Europe, with great details on networks in
Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Luxemburg, Belgium, Denmark, Norway,
Italy, Greece, and Turkey, as well as the strategic planning of Britain and the US. The
stay-behind armies were coordinated on an international level by the so-called Allied
Clandestine Committee (ACC) and the Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC), linked to
NATO’s Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE). And they used cover
names such as “Absalon” in Denmark, “P26” in Switzerland, “ROC” in Norway or
“SDRA8” in Belgium. Interestingly, large differences existed from country to country. In
some nations the secret armies became a source of terror, while in others they remained
a prudent precaution. In Turkey, the “Counter-Guerrilla” was involved in domestic terror
and torture operations against the Kurds, while in Greece, the “LOK” took part in the
1967 military coup d’état to prevent a Socialist government. In Spain, the secret army
was used to prop up the fascist dictatorship of Franco, and in Germany, right-wing
terrorists used the explosives of the secret army in the 1980 terror attack in Munich. In
other countries, including Denmark, Norway, and Luxemburg, the secret soldiers
prepared for the eventual occupation of their home country and never engaged in
domestic terror or manipulation. In the context of the ongoing so-called war on terror, the
Gladio data promotes the sobering insight that governments in the West have sacrificed
the life of innocent citizens and covered up acts of terrorism in order to manipulate the
population. Allegations that NATO, the Pentagon, MI6, the CIA, and European
intelligence services were linked to terror, coups d’état, and torture in Europe are
obviously of an extremely sensitive nature, and future research is needed in the field. In
the absence of an official investigation by NATO or the EU, ongoing international
research into terrorism is about to tackle this difficult task, the first step of which I hope to
have promisingly taken with “NATO’s Secret Armies”.
Dr Daniele Ganser is a Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies at the ETH
in Zurich.
For more information on the topic, compare the research of the Center of Security
Studies (CSS) at ETH Zurich:

Če je to mogoče, je tudi kaj drugega.......................

coop · Pridružen/-a: 27.09. 2006, 11:04 Prispevkov: 23

Sicer pa si poglejte: http://www.danieleganser.ch/e/buecher/index.htm

coop · Pridružen/-a: 27.09. 2006, 11:04 Prispevkov: 23

Title: Natova Skrivna Vojska
Subtitle: Operacija Gladio in terorizem v zahodni Evropi
Language: Slovenian
Author: Daniele Ganser
Publication Date: July 2006
Publisher: Ciceron
Pages: 349
ISBN: 961-91391-8-6

Pa še to......

kornilov · Objavljeno: 23 Feb 2008 11:45 Naslov sporočila:

O tej Gladiji je bil pred nekaj tedni dober članek v Sobotni prilogi Dela!
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coop · Pridružen/-a: 27.09. 2006, 11:04 Prispevkov: 23

V tistem članku sem pobrala naslov Natova skrivna vojska, Daniele Genser in knjigo pravkar berem. Gladio je postal sinonim za podtalno delovanje protikomunističnih podtalno in izven zakona delujočih državnih agencij, ki jih je financirala CIA. Prebrala sem jo malo čez polovico in dobila vtis, da je bilo 20.stoletje stoletje terorizma pa ne zaradi tistega, čemur danes rečemo tako, temveč zaradi terorizma, ki so ga izvajale različne podtalne paradržavne vohunske organizacije, ki jih niti niso kontrolirale države po Evropi temveč NATO in CIA. Tako, da si mislim, da bomo še nekaj šokantnih zadev zvedeli, ko bodo odprli tajne dokumente v ZDA. Npr umor Kennedy ali Alda Mora ali npr. delovanje Rdečih brigad po Evropi (Nemčija, Italija).....pa npr. Berlusconi, ki je bil član lože P2 v Italiji.....
Zadevo sem prilepila na to temo, ker se mi zdi razprava o 11.9. pravzaprav povezana z vsem tem, še posebej, ker je to tudi datum Pinochetovega udara v Čilu, ko so Allendeja (ki je bil legalno in legitimno izvoljen pravzaprav ubili CIA in fašistični plačanci iz prav teh organizacij, ki so po Evropi sejali smrt.
Knjiga je sicer zanimivo branje, je pa hkrati grozljivka na račun zahodnih "demokracij".

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